Call of ideas!

[thigazi]

People!
I just fired up short time in bitbucket the pyeg-cms project.

The site is tomorrow online..... we need the call of ideas now.

[mtayseer]

Why a new Python CMS?

[thigazi]

Not a CMS, it's our site!

[mahmoudhossam]

Why is it on bitbucket and not here?

[thigazi]

Because it is a website, and not software.
I even don't understand why "github" is used for sharing ideas. totally strange...

However, the mailman engine is soon setup for all of us, that we can use the mailman server to talk with each others...

Github is used usually for software development, and to speak about errors / issues in the software among with each others. So, usually this is the wrong place to share ideas.

I think we should continue our discussions here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/python-eg

Tamer

[mahmoudhossam]

Github works okay for me, we're already talking.

Is there anything you can do in a mailing list that you can't do here?

I know it's not usual, but I don't think it's essentially bad.

As for the Google group, it looks dead, no posts this year.

[thigazi]

Mahmoud, thanks for your reply!
Yes, it is "reason" oriented.

All python groups world wide run their own mailinglists on their own sites, which has a sense.

I am a very "sense" oriented person, the "pyeg.org" domain is up, soon you will find a complete basic site and the registration info for "lists.pyeg.org".

GitHub is a community site for open source dvelopment.
The reason is very simple.

Getting organized the way the others are as well. Not more and not less, and you are very welcome to participate in our project with work and effort if you like.

The google group would be the best place to talk, because it's a group, and not a github site. This is what I hate... here.

[mahmoudhossam]

I haven't used a mailing list before, but if everyone's on board with this, I don't suppose I have a choice.

@gr33ndata @mtayseer your thoughts?

[thigazi]

which will change over the time....

[gr33ndata]

I like how things are organized here, as tickets can have priorities and sorted based on number of replies or so. It is not new to use github for hosting similar discussions or even to host static web pages and documentations. See, the Open Knowledge Foundation do the same thing here, https://github.com/okfn/ideas

We still can have a mailing list anyway if you want to, but I believe in using whatever we have already that works without bothering ourselves with setting sophisticated softwares and content management systems.

[mtayseer]

tl;dr I'm OK with both options

Long version Before I post the first issue here, I thought about the best way to discuss ideas. There are many ways: mailing lists, forums, issues on GitHub , Facebook groups, subreddits, etc. There is no one which makes more "sense" than the other. I saw different communities use these tools successfully, because it's not about the tool itself. We are already using a GitHub issue for this discussion!

I've an interesting story to tell: in the college we wanted to start a community for learning. People wanted to create a logo for the group. Tens of people participated with design & hundreds of emails discussing the tiniest detail about each design. Finally we selected a logo, then guess what? Less than 20 people kept contributing.

My message is: there are things which are more important to the community than the tools

[thigazi]

Mohammed,
I advise to continue all discussions on:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/python-eg

I tell you why. I am working a lott with my Mailclient. And to login everytime at github to answer you is for me too stressfull.

At Google Groups, or even if you run your own mailman engine, you can answer from your MTA client, and it is posted and recorded on the web.

If something makes my life easier, then I of course prefer it instead of logging myself in a stupid website to post something.

[thigazi]

Mohammed,
Ask Tarek to join "python-eg", you are welcome to participate here until everything's up.

You ask "why" tools?!

Professional people, orgaize and collaborate professionally.....
Time is very useful, to loose it in a nonsense way is a awful way.....

[mahmoudhossam]

@thigazi The way I see it, you're the only one who has a problem with using Github for discussion.

As for email, someone already used email to reply to an issue on this repo, so you can use that as well, no login required.

Maybe we can set up a mailinglist and a website after we've created some content (projects, documentation...etc.) and not before?

[aessam]

Funny thread.

Communication is efficient by the people involved, tools and procedures are
for optimization.

So we wasted enough time talking about the tools.

Painful when we don't practice what we preach.

Part of this thing is the spirit and be a good team player wherever we are
playing.

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Mohammed,
Ask Tarek to join "python-eg", you are welcome to participate here until
everything's up.

You ask "why" tools?!

Professional people, orgaize and collaborate professionally.....
Time is very useful, to loose it in a nonsense way is a awful way.....

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[thigazi]

You are making yourself funny about others... what about you?!
Participate. In the previous posts I mentioned that we need layout.

Perhaps you can make the layout and the CSS stuff and prepare it for me.
As well I setup mailman and coding for the frontend.

Sorry, but not any here has done a bit.... don't you think so ?!
Show that you are doing something instead of making yourself funny about the thread.